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Family really believes is the best offer that is out there. they still feel that they're strong, that they've got control and influence over 4 million to 5 million people out of 6 million in the country. they don't believe they can be defeated militarily by the rebels, even with coalition no-fly zone enforcement backing the rebels. they feel that they have still got cards to play at the moment. and what they want to say right now is going back to a plan from years ago, saif gadhafi takes over power. what we're saying is, we can negotiate, don't make it a precondition that gadhafi, the elder ha...

Schizophrenia is hard to fathom. he may be someone who's spoken the language of reform at different times. on the other hand, he's the butcher doing his father ministering when it was called for. so how does david from your perspective, what does the white house do? >> we keep the pressure on militarily. stlrp so there were some flickering signs that gadhafi's forces have been worn down some. i think this is a time for quiet diplomacy. there are people in europe who know libya better than we do. and we do have to work with them on this. i do think we want to keep the arab league quiet during t...

A couple of years ago, saif asked me to be on the international advisory board of the saif gadhafi found daigle. and through that, i've been meeting regularly with saif. >> just want to clarify, this is the period after united states recognized that he came back into the international fold, if you will. >> in 2003, saif gadhafi came out of the cold, rejoined the west, made war in al qaeda, started imprisoning al qaeda war w yors. this is the period when we thought it was an opportunity to work at internal reform. >> i've got to get to david gergen. does any of this make sense for the white hou...