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Reforms to medicare and medicaid. i asked him about his plan to cover folks with pre-existing conditions. all right, on pre-existing conditions, it's pretty clear to me that you are allowing some insurance companies to discriminate on pre-existing conditions, because you would have a special high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions. so i get on one hand you would have lower insurance premiums, because you'd allow insurance companies to essentially discriminate for pre-existing conditioning, because there would be a special high-risk pool. >> no, chuck -- chuck, that's actually no...

She's been looking at these numbers. what about that claim. 15,000 people a day being dropped from -- >> insurance. lose their insurance every day. we wanted to know where that figure came from. so the fact check desk -- >> you've got to go slow. try to roll that off quickly, you hurt yourself. >> we did a little digging. here's what we found. it looks like that figure was drawing on figures from the liberal center on progress that dated back from february of 2009. jobless numbers from grown from february 2008 to february 2009 to the tune of about -- estimates were that about 900,000 of those ...

When you're out of work. a december report by commonwealth fund shows roughly twice as many laid off workers were enrolling in cobra. bottom lining it, that 15,000 figure is probably pretty much out of date. when we look at today's figures with the increased use of cobra coverage i'm sure that number is a lot lower. >> so 15,000 might be out of date. but we really don't have a firm guesstimate even of what the better figure might be? >> right. and here's the reason why it's so hard to chase a lot of this down. there are different groups and think tanks. some of them politically assigned with o...

It. >> 9, 10, 11, 12, 18, 19 -- 19. >> shepard: that's the number of prescription medications terry carlson says she is using. she says she is not eligible for health insurance on her own. and her temporary cobra coverage will run out in a year terry says she has a disorder that makes her body unable to process bacteria. she says dating has been difficult. >> it's also not easy to date and tell people you have a genetic condition that you could possibly die from. >> shepard: terry says she has been putting videos on youtube, hoping to find a husband. >> pennsylvania, a philadelphia couple cele...

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