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Perspective on that decision to send cluster munitions to ukraine, do you think that's the right decision? >> so of course it's the moral choice, but there's definitely the difference on the way how to use it, of course the probability of any weapon is really bad for the human life, but it depends on how it's used because we had in ukraine within the last years the rush is hans uses missile bombing the shopping mall in the peaceful town. recreation center, hotel in ode is, a. they used cluster munition to fire on the train with women and children fleeing. while working on war crimes the

Valuable, his handkerchief. the code is' signed to a customer name, address and occupation. >> this man must be found. >> we are going to have to track this lun dre mart. >> take your men and leave no stone unturned. >> they go to 93 different laundries in the san francisco area. >> yes, sir, can i help you? >> yes. that ear -- your mark? >> yes, that's our mark from one of our customers. >> eat both in a local gold prospect. >> hume and his detectives come up with a plan. >> the gentlemen that knows the a laundry mart belongs to bolton, leaves them to his home.

Stolen in the old fashioned swipe machines at the stores? simon, let me start with you on this. i know in europe, frankly all the rest of the world, right, has a digital kind of a system? what's the difference? >> it has a chip. basically, it sends an authorization code, a different one for every transaction. it's encrypted. it sort of rotates it so you can't just take that and use it again once that encryption, that code is -- >> why don't we have it here? >> well, i think it's because the banks have no incentive to deal with this. there's relatively few banks. we've got less and less banks. ...