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Well, see? see the way he is acting? that must mean there is something to it, because he is so personal and so attacking on this particular issue. and, you know, again, i just -- this would have been the opportunity for the president to be statesman like in this, and he did have some legitimate questions. why was the whistle-blower report released today? normally, i have to tell you, as the chairman who got whistle-blower reports, i would never release the report until it was fully vetted and we had a chance to fully review it and make sure the information was accurate, and then we still might...

Did you feel that at the end of the day that he gave you real answers? that he said what he believed? that he was honest? >> i think he's in a lot of pain tonight, actually, and throughout all of this episode. this is someone who had a distinguished nearly 40-year career as a s.e.a.l. and a retired admiral of the united states navy, and i think he knows better, frankly, and i think he's in a lot of pain. >> according to the complaint which obviously discussed today at length, people in the white house appeared to try to cover up the president's conversation with zelensky, right? we just heard ...

Cautiously optimistic, i guess we'll take that as as good as it can be right now. i want to read one other thing for you, congress mid-caman bec this is very important. according to white house officials i spoke with, this was the whistle-blower, this is not the first time, in quotes, under this administration that a presidential transcript was placed under the codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive rather than national security sensitive information. that would mean that there are other times that transcripts were put there, other times, it would appe...

Such transcripts are typically stored and why instead the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature and the person says this was done multiple times. out front now chief political analyst gloria borger, david gregory, and former director of the national intelligence robert lit and ann millgrim. ann, you're with me. nancy pelosi says it was a cover-up. it was a cover-up. does this look like a cover-up to you? >> it does. one of the things that jumped out when i read the complaint. w...

Phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced as is customary by the white house situation room. this set of actions underscored to me that white house officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call. according to this whistleblower, two things then happened. first, white house lawyers directed officials to remove the electronic transcript from a computer system where these kinds of transcripts are typically housed. and two, the transcript was then loaded onto a separate system that is used to store highly classified information ...