did you feel that at the end of the day that he gave you real answers? that he said what he believed? that he was honest? >> i think he's in a lot of pain tonight, actually, and throughout all of this episode. this is someone who had a distinguished nearly 40-year career as a s.e.a.l. and a retired admiral of the united states navy, and i think he knows better, frankly, and i think he's in a lot of pain. >> according to the complaint which obviously discussed today at length, people in the white house appeared to try to cover up the president's conversation with zelensky, right? we just heard the crucial parts of that, right? they knew about it, and knew it was a problem and took it off the system where it could be seen and put it on another system. do you consider that a crime? >> i consider it a crime to solicit a foreign country's interference in our election, and i think the whistle-blower complaint indicated that that