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Election. so you know, that's sort of an open question right now. but i do think there are these code words going back and forth, and i'll also add that i think one of the reasons that you didn't hear "i am so sorry for what i have done" from manafort is another signal that he is looking for a pardon. i mean, it's completely clear. >> shan, how is the decision made whether -- from the d.c. court whether it's a concurrent sentence, whatever he receives, or not concurrent? >> that's really discretionary on the part of the judge. it will depend on whether she feels that the charges in d.c. are su...

>> absolutely. no collusion is the catchword. the judge -- the judge said it. and you know, the judge is accurate. we don't -- we don't know. we haven't been told what mueller has on manafort, if anything, about interference of the russians in the last election. so you know, that's sort of an open question right now. but i do think there are these code words going back and forth, and i'll also add that i think one of the reasons that you didn't hear "i am so sorry for what i have done" from manafort is another signal that he is looking for a pardon. i mean, it's completely clear. >> shan, how ...

They're true believers and a little later i'll play for you when i talked to the supporters how they identified with socialism. >> i wasn't at either of the speeches but i look at that speech and i look at the speech at cpac. one looks fun and one looks gloom. i'm sorry. that looks so boring and negative. and by the way, how can he call the president dangerous. what's dangerous is introducing socialism to this country. by the way, the code words in there, we need -- let me see if i can find it here. he says, you know. >> used transform. >> saying we need to transform america. all of these code...

Said he wants to fundamentally transform america. used the word transform. it's not about restoring, not about fulfilling the promise of our founders or improving the promise of our founders. it's transforming. going to some other system. that's why the president is on a high ground when he says i'm going to defend america against those who hate america. >> they never said socialism. now it's capitalism versus socialism. the underlying principles of the government will not be greed, hatred and lies. if you know anything about socialism, those are the code words. >> how they play the game. >> y...

Telling "the washington post" this. some people have used code words. some have come at it obliquely. he just, completely divorced from the truth or fact or our reality or our experience here in el paso, uses this so incite fear and paranoia and turn that to political gain. we've been to the border. we've been in el paso. about a year ago i sat down with a group of el paso residents who have different perspectives on immigration. i want to remind you of our conversation because a year later, not much has changed in washington. the fate of the wall, dreamers all still in limbo. >> we don't want...