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asking for yet another four years in the white house together just 18 months ago. and then they lost. but when only one was prepared to acknowledge that, it seems, well, that there's no love that has now been lost between them. in talking january 6th, pence once said he didn't think he and trump would ever see eye to eye about that day. intimating that it was time to move beyond the 2020 election. today, pence has slolidified tht disconnect, stumping for georgia governor, brian kemp, a candidate who has wholly rejected trump's big lie, at least as a campaign platform-winning strategy...

Decision to have this testimony of uncharged prior bad acts in the law or walk us through a door. walk us through why you would have the opportunity to call these sort of either character witnesses to help or to hurt johnny depp's case. >> yeah, i think the focus is these aren't character witnesses in the truest sense because we're talking about significant -- or specific instances of conduct. and evidence codes w, whether they're in a codified code or common law, case law, genegenerally are very weighted against the idea that we're going to say, somebody did something in the past. therefore, ...

That it's happening right now during the conflict, at some point during the conflict. why is that so unique here? >> because ordinarily conditions are not conducive to the gathering of evidence. when you really think about ongoing hostilities and the gathering of evidence, it's just not that easy. i mean, a lot of credit has to go to the ukranian prosecution team, and now we have international prosecution from the international criminal court who are also in ukraine, gathering evidence. but that raises questions also about the wisdom of conducting trials in the midst of an ongoing armed confli...

That show up and provide a little more latitude. i think the kate moss thing is somewhat different than the ellen barkin thing because the ellen barkin thing was a wholesale, let's bring in something from the past and say this happened in the past so it must have happened now. whereas the kate moss thing is really a credibility attack. >> so, what do you make of the decision -- i mean, at one point, amber heard's team, which might surprise people. amber heard's team was thinking about calling not somebody in his past, but johnny depp himself to testify. that's now changed. they're not going to...