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They really developed personal relationships with him. so, yes, we are seeing the politics, the presidency, but it is a very personal memorial as well. >> you know, if you look at his foreign policy team, too, which i covered at the time as i was traveling with secretary baker for those four years, they were a real team. i have never actually seen as coherent a team, national security team as dick cheney, jim baker, president bush and bob gates actually as deputy nsc. we haven't seen that kind of teamwork on the national security level really since then. >> and they will tell you that it was t...

Say he disagreed sometimes in the meetings and he would say, speak up, if you disagree with me speak up, because they trusted each other and they trusted the boss, the president. it wasn't about dishing dirt on him, it was about let's give the president the best advice and let him make the call and we'll do our job. i remember before the first gulf war i traveled with secretary cheney and general powell when they were traveling around the world, essentially telling the members of the coalition it is time, that we've had the buildup and around the holidays the air war is about to begin and here...

Of cold war and so forth, but it was the time when everything came to a head, the soviet union went out of business, the -- germany was reunited, eastern europe was liberated. a bunch of things we worked ought for years all of a sudden occurred on his watch, and he had to manage it and did a beautiful job of it. >> you have talked in the past about how you all got along, even though you didn't always agree with each other, and he let that work itself through. would you describe? >> sure. well, it was unique in the sense that brent scocroft had been the national security adviser for ford, i had...