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Porn on the cover. great piece. >> jon meacham has the cover story in "time." >> yes. >> is it about porn. >> yeah. exactly, the american dream. >> this is where he says the american dream doesn't exist. this week three weeks ago he says heaven didn't exist. thank you episcopalian. >> you need to read the second paragraph. >> a man with no beliefs. ask me how i've never slept better.
Joe. who wouldn't want to have lunch with joe. >> rather that lunch with joe than just about anybody. >> he has a lot of stories. >> they're all great stories. >> he likes to talk and hold hands. it's true. >> and hug. >> welcome back to "morning joe." he's a hugger. jon meacham is still with us. >> he has? >> he's a hand holder. >> during a seance in wilmington. >> he's a connecter. >> well, you're a cold episcopalian that doesn't believe in heaven. who wants to hold your hand. >> appropriate, and wonderful loving way. >> you know who else is loving? the governor of maryland also the chairman...