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Defense leaders, including mark milley, the head of norad. austin called them together for a meeting. it was the middle of the night in the philippines. they talked about the potential track for this thing, where it was coming from, where it was going. the potential collection, the intelligence collection capabilities, which they believe to be somewhat minimal. they don't think that this can collect very much. and they even brought in aircraft, including surveillance aircraft and f-22 fighter jets, with the potential to bring this thing down. they scrambled these aircraft to both look at it an...

On the level, have just kind of been laying around mar-a-lago for a year and a half without much protection, is appalling. and on several levels, as well. first, obtaining such information is very difficult because nations protected. so, the question, one question comes to my mind, have we lost a sensitive collection capability? that has been a concern in general with the revelation of the presence of these documents under not very secure conditions. there is the concern about other nations willingness to continue to share with us when apparently we are kind of lucy goofy about protecting thes...

And the defense is there too, it is because it is about their national survival, and their existence. and that's a decision we made a decades ago, that's why we have nuclear weapons, and that's why at least nine other nations have them. so, the fact that these documents, if this reporting is on the level, have just kind of been laying around mar-a-lago for a year and a half without much protection, is appalling. and on several levels, as well. first, obtaining such information is very difficult because nations protect it. so, the question, one question comes to my mind, have we lost a sensitiv...

To finally go down and get these documents? that's a much more appropriate question than, well, are they really classified or not? that's not the right one. >> steve? >> you know, i think the point is really on target. we do have to know what's in there and i think the collector, stuff david and i used to do, we look less at, is it confidential, secret, top secret? what we're concerned about is what lives are being put at risk? that's just for the human intelligence side. if you're looking from the signals intelligence side, the question becomes which of these documents that were in a basement...

With, and it is going to be tough on them in the next few weeks. >> steve, weeks ago, russian convoys carrying weapon ins to ukraine were legitimate targets, but russia has not attacked any yet, but do you believe it is going to change yet? >> frankly, i have been surprised that they have not tried to hit the convoys to date. it could be that it is difficult for them to locate them, and there is some information and reporting that the russians are having problems with the tactical collection capability, and the overhead satellites, and so maybe it is hard for them to pinpoint them, and once th...