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belarus and this russian enclave of kaliningrad. that enclave is a vestige of world war ii, and what the wagner forces are doing is they're potentially coming into this area right here, which is the primary communications and logistics link for the russian forces, because this year is the base for the russian baltic sea fleet, and that is one of the key areas, that's one of the reasons that the russians want to keep this area. and one of the reasons that the wagner group could potentially try to use this area to cut off everything from nato right here. these are all nato countries, estonia, latvia, and lithuania, as well as, of course, poland. >> colonel layton wi, thank yous always. >> you bet. one of the nation's biggest and oldest r est trucking compa are shutting down. also, madonna is speaking out after that serious infection that left her in the icu.
russians have occupied. so, what that could mean is that when you look at all of the different possible paths, if the ukrainians come in this way and take this territory, the threat from medvedev is that they would potentially use tactical nuclear weapons. that, of course, would be a game changer in a case like this. >> colonel layton, can you walk people through dragon's teeth, it sounds like a buzzy type of title, but when you go into what that actually means, it underscores why this is such a slog, why this is such a complex moment in the counteroffensive. what does that actually mean? >> phil, what that really means is, when you look at all of the different places that the ukrainians are moving in, so if they come in here, you see the very little territorial gains made by the ukrainians in all of these areas right here. and the reason for that is, like you mentioned, the dragon's teeth. these are concrete barriers
probably was very much trevor reed's motivation as well. >> do you think it will make it more difficult to get these other americans still being held by the russians home? >> it could. one of the big problems is, in the state department, they're taking great pains to make sure that these events are even as separate because those people have absolutely nothing to do with what's happening in ukraine. but when you look at trevor reed and his situation, he's a military man, he clearly went to go to ukraine to fight that battle because he believed in it. and i think for people like "the wall street journal" journalist and the other marine, paul whelan, you have a situation where those are separate and distinct cases. hopefully the russians will see it that way. but the danger is certainly there that they won't. >> colonel layton, thanks very much. coming up, president biden honors emmitt mill. a black teenager whose murder in the 1950s helped galvanize the
the internet, the disinformation arm, the ira that still promotes disinformation worldwide. the syria campaign. and the third is what we saw, i think, in this meeting with putin. and that is to figure out how do we rebrand and reshape wagner elements, the ones that we still need, says putin, the ones that we can't yet get rid of, or maybe never can, because they're so important. so i think that's what we're seeing here unfold. >> all right, colonel layton, i want to bring you in to get your thoughts on what this says about putin, that he would meet with prigozhin, mere days after the attempted coup. >> to me it seems like this is a sense of his weakness. we're getting a sense that he's looking at things that he needs to change in order to maintain his power. it's also a situation, i think
colonel layton, stick around. lots more to discuss. for more now on president biden's trip overseas, let's bring back sally bedell smith, cnn contributor, staff writer for the new yorker, and biden biographer, evan osnos, and national politics reporter for "the new york times", astead herndon. so as we speak, king charles and president biden, they are meeting, what are you looking for out of this meeting, sally bedell smith, what do you think is different about this meeting than the late queen's meeting with former u.s. presidents? >> the queen's last meeting with president biden was 45 minutes of pleasantries. she asked him what he thought of xi and putin, but we don't know what he said and we don't know what she said. in this instance, it is the first time that as a monarch, there has been a specific agenda. prince charles is very
be used fairly quickly, they would need to be trained on that but because it is not there and the administrator has resisted providing these missiles, which gives you a situation where if you need something quickly, cluster munitions are your only alternative at this point. >> all right. i am guessing we will be talking about this subject in the days to come, especially this coming week with the president meeting with nato allies. colonel layton, and you very much. we appreciate it. we will bebe right back. and there he is. chaz. the rec league's self-crowned pickleball king. do you just bow down? no you de-thrown the king. pedialyte. 3xhe electrolytes. detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines.
decision to help ukraine, but many disagree. critics say it is a mistake that will cost the lives of many innocent civilians. joining me to talk about this is cnn military analyst and retired air force colonel cedric layton. colonel layton, what do you think the biden admitted patient decided on this course? why cluster munitions, one at other types of munitions that have not been banned by 100 other countries? why go into this kind of a thicket in trying to help out the ukrainians? >> think the primary reason, jim, is that our defense industrial base has not kept up with the standard munitions the opinions have been using for the most part in their effort against the russians. so what we have is the defense industrial base that cannot keep pace with demand. the fact that it cannot keep pace with demand means that once ukrainians run out of the munitions they have they are going to have to ask for other munitions, and cluster munitions was one of their asks
i have heard her say that she wakes up every day feeling remorse and guilt and it is genuine and the court found that to be true. >> nancy, thanks very much, we will check back in with you once this release happens. appreciate your time. thanks so much. >> thank you for having me. still ahead, ukraine is welcoming president biden's decision to send cluster munitions to that country. how much could the weapons impact tactics on the battlefield? we will discuss that next with colonel cedric layton. you are watching cnn newsroom. and if you don't have the right home insurance coveragag, well you could end up paying for all this yourselflf. so get a allstate. [clicking] when occasional heartburn won't let you sleep. [clicking] get fast relief with new tums+ heartburn + sleep suppt. love food back and fall asleep faster. ♪tum, tum tum tum, tums♪
outside of bakhmut. as soon as they fire, they prepare to fire again. it appears that the ukrainians are pulling out all the stops around bakhmut. over the months i have been covering the battle, i have heard ukrainians complain about a shortage of ammunition. we didn't hear that today. they seem to have more than enough. one of the batteries told us that they are firing 50, 60, 100 rounds a day. it really does appear that bakhmut is at the moment the focus of this ukrainian counteroffensive. wolf? >> very interesting, ben wee wedeman, stay safe over there. let's bring in jill doherty and colonel layton. now that ukraine will be receiving the cluster bombs, how will they leverage those in their counteroffensive right now
possible membership. >> it's interesting, colonel, the nato summit will focus, we are told, on long-term security assistance for ukraine, including f-16 fighter jets. what should be prioritized right now based on what you know about ukraine's capabilities, at least at this moment? >> i think, wolf, one of the key things is what in military speak is called interoperability. that's the idea that ukrainian weapon systems should be able to talk to nato weapon systems. anything that can be made to work together in a technical sense, that is exactly what the nato meeting should actually result in. if they can do that with f-16s, that will allow a great deal of