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Movements, radio transitions, aircraft flying through the air. there's also things like intercepting email, phone calls. to actual human essence on the ground. the last point is particularly interesting because yes, well it is challenging every time you go somewhere like russia or china, and talking about resources. you have what it appears to be, not necessarily popular in russia, of opportunity for collectors on the ground. so if we are seeing this for allied nations that are working, people will question what they are doing. people see death with russian deaths mounting. there's an opportun...

Jillian: the intelligence community feeling to identify the origin of the coronavirus following a 90 day investigation ordered by president biden. former intelligence officer joined us to discuss the challenges. >> the chinese government was never going to cooperate because it has an interest in keeping this information secret whether it was malevolent or incompetent. the second challenge is intelligence collection posture, our ability to get intelligence inside china has been decimated over the last decade. >> of the chinese communist party does not cooperate the us may never pinpoint the ori...

They exercise control over their people and information that comes in and out of china so there's a key hindrance but there are two challenges to the intelligence assessment on the origins of covid 19, the first is the chinese government was never going to cooperate because it has an interest in keeping with information secret whether it was malevolent or incompetent. it can't allow its own people to think it is anything less and completely capable of governing. second challenge is our intelligence collection posture, our ability to get intelligence inside china has been decimated over the las...

Of that and all the attention the world is paying to the islamic state, iran is working feverishly on trying to create this nuclear capability and there's no reason because we don't have a history of being able to influence those actions that there's going to be anything other than self interest being maintained from tehran. >> and very quickly, last question you know, what happens if there is no deal? what's next? is there going to be military action of some kind? >> oh no. we're at the status quo right now. what that means is we continue to do very very solid intelligence work with partners ...

>> his message to the united states is very much the same as bin ladens. we're coming after you. >> so the question really remains here, did the u.s. not know about this meeting of 100 al qaeda fighters? could they not get a drone there in time to attack? or was there some other intelligence reason the u.s. decided not to attack to pass it by? we don't know the answer. wolf? >> good reporting, barbara starr. important reporting as well. thank you. let's get some reaction now from the chairman of the house intelligence community representative mike rogers of michigan is here in "the situation r...