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You would anticipate that these men were going to go down shooting. so there's some responsibility for these -- to these three men for the killing of officer collier, the shooting of the other officer and the kidnapping. all of that could be anticipated, reasonably anticipated when you assist a terrorist who had just done a bombing, killing a child to flee. and -- rather than help the authorities to find that guy. >> and add on top of that, one has told authorities weeks ago, perhaps a month before this, the suspect had said, i know how to make a bomb. stay with us, we have to take a quick bre...

At first as knuckle heads. this is a lot worse than being knuckle heads. i think rudy makes a very good point involving the death of collier. just the idea that you're here through the good auspices of the united states -- >> well, actually one of the students he was not supposed to come back. he was allowed back into the country. mayor, i have a question about these two students. what do you make of the fact that they so enthusiastically cooperated in trying to destroy this evidence? they took text that looks pretty cryptic. you can go to my apartment and take whatever you want. what is that?...

Great to have you at the round table. what do you make of the new arrests today? >> what i find striking about the complaint is, if the timing is correct in the complaint, these three men would have committed the killing of officer collier, he was killed at 11:00 that night. they were in that apartment between 6:00 and 7:00. sometime shortly thereafter, they realized that tsarnaev was one of the bombers. that's when they decided to remove the items in order to help him. so had they reported it, officer collier today would be alive. also, a prosecutor could have a pretty interesting theory that...

Do we know anything about that? >> do we have it? >> reporter: we don't have it confirmed whether they recovered the laptop. >> the new york times is reporting that the authorities do have the laptop, that's just -- >> the affidavit does say they recovered the backpack with the empty fireworks in the landfill. that was a landfill they're searching for. i want to bring in someone who knows what it takes to prosecute terror suspects and lead a major city through a terror attack, rudy giuliani joinsny now. great to have you at the roundtable. what do you make of the new arrests today? >> what i f...

Cooperated in trying to destroy there evidence? they took text that looks pretty cryptic. can you go to my apartment and take whatever you want. is that a can of soda? no, it's a laptop that may contain information about the incident. >> i would use that as a conspiracy. they joined a conspiracy to help these two guys flee. that conspiracy to flee a violent crime like this, you would anticipate in a flight, you'd anticipate violence. you would anticipate that these men were going to go down shooting. so there's some responsibility for these -- to these three men for the killing of officer coll...