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What did you learn from this indictment yesterday about the size of that effort? >> i mean, i think we learned that there was a real concerted effort, starting back in 2014, to actually influence american politics. i do think that the one thing we need to take apart what he said in the indictment there are no allegations that it affected the election. right? he specifically -- his words were really specific yesterday. he specifically said that this indictment doesn't point to that. what he didn't say was that they're not still investigating him. he didn't say that there was no collusion. he di...

This happened under the obama administration. democrats want to create this collusion argument. democrats should be pointing to president obama saying -- >> neil: but -- i understand what you're saying. but this president has said all this stuff wasn't even going on. now he's acknowledging it was. >> he did acknowledge it today. he said it's totally unacceptable. we need to get through with the investigations to go to governors across the country and secretaries states and make sure it doesn't happen again. russians were not trying to help donald trump. rushes want chaos in this country. they ...

There was no crime. so talking about a perjury trap, it's not just putting someone under oath, we know what the truth is, we think this person is lying. it's when you are putting people under oath when there is no crime. that's what patrick fitzgerald did. he found out there was nothing illegal about revealing a name. then he puts everybody under oath. if there is no crime here, remember the entire russia argument, the entire russia collusion argument comes from these four members -- they weren't members of trump's staff. they were hangers on. roger stone keeps offering to testify publicly. yo...

So talking about a perjury trap, it's not just putting someone under oath, we know what the truth is, we think this person is lying. it's when you are putting people under oath when there is no crime. that's what patrick fitzgerald did. he found out there was nothing illegal about revealing a name. then he puts everybody under oath. if there is no crime here, remember the entire russia argument, the entire russia collusion argument comes from these four members -- they weren't members of trump's staff. they were hangers on. roger stone keeps offering to testify publicly. you have carter page. ...

So talking about a perjury trap, it's not just putting someone under oath, we know what the truth is, we think this person is lying. it's when you are putting people under oath when there is no crime. that's what patrick fitzgerald did. he found out there was nothing illegal about revealing a name. then he puts everybody under oath. if there is no crime here, remember the entire russia argument, the entire russia collusion argument comes from these four members -- they weren't members of trump's staff. they were hangers on. roger stone keeps offering to testify publicly. you have carter page. ...