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This is laying out a blueprint of what robert mueller's been doing. it's giving us an unusual view of what he's been doing in this very closed-down operation. where do you think he's going next? >> i think we got an answer to one of the big questions today. we've always known there are two major tracks of the investigation. the collusion aspect, what happened in regards to the russians' interference and the obstruction of justice track. if he could find that u.s. individuals had cooperated with russians or he would also bring charges against russian individuals. he's answered that question now...

Issue comprehensively, strategically and thoughtfully. >> rob reiner joins me now. good to see you. >> thanks for having me, ali. >> i want to be clear about the work this committee is doing. you are not obsessed with the collusion aspect. you're trying to make sure people have sort of almost a clearinghouse of information when it comes to what we should and do and don't know about russia and its involvement in the elections. >> that's right. this is the first time in american history where we've been attacked by a foreign enemy power that we haven't come together as a country, whether it was ...

As quietly as they could. a lot of supporters, the president can say why are we talking about the mueller story? this is the saturday night massacre that never happened, why is it important? one reason it's important is that over the past few months, on over a dozen occasions, the white house has told us that there was never any consideration in the white house about firing mueller. they've all been saying it. so if they have been lying to us on this, why are we to believe them on the collusion aspect, on the money laundering, that is so corrosive to the moral authority of the president. >> if...

To talk to trump some time soon about that. that may be true. the obstruction of justice case goes over a shorter period of time. it's a smaller number of witnesses, and it's out in the open. it's people we know about. the collusion and conspiracy aspect is hidden. so i think we should be very cautious about what we don't know about that case. what witnesses are calling, and the hiring of this cyber expert is interesting. we shouldn't write off the collusion part. here's the thing about the collusion aspect. i've talked to a lot of legal experts who say you cannot get to the bottom of collusio...

Office. what is your assessment of where this is right now? >> i think what makes sense now is this is a russian intelligence operation on all fronts. my colleague and i are watching it in social media. i think the most startling part is exceeded wilder success than they imagined. they vice president gotten all of their foreign policy objectives. it has put our country into chaos. they want us americans fighting each other. i think what this is not so much about the collusion aspect but obstructi obstruction. when you look at the investigation collusion is where we started. obstruction is wher...