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Related to the ramt of time that was spent trying to wheelings and dealings with the russians to, have either their -- to get them in the campaign early and how long those conversations went until earlier this year. and so it's, you know, mueller is not messing around. this is a collusion case. it's not a process case. this is not a lying to investigators case. there is substance there, and we have seen it this week. >> okay, before i get to you, i'm going to ask everyone else. this is what everyone at home is asking. so now what? now what? what does all this mean? now what? >> there's going t...

Can't forget mike flynn at the beginning of the week and what we sort of could gain from all that blacked out text to what happened today. i know the southern district of new york case is important. i know it's scary to have a president as an unindicted co-conspirator in a case like that. it's not -- it is -- it doesn't have the impact on our american democracy like the rest of the stuff related to the amount of time that was spent trying to have wheelings and dealings with the russians, to have either their -- to get them in the campaign early and how long those conversations went until earli...

Far from out of the weeds here. communicator. could she thrive in this new there's a reason that the role? >> anything is possible. president keeps going back to you know, she is good at this notion of collusion or the lack thereof, right? fielding questions, and towing half the laws in the courtroom -- the other half of the line, and staying on the laws are in the court of public opinion, and the message. this, unfortunately, is not a president is very much fighting in the court of public opinion, calm job. it's a diplomatic post. and so he is going to keep that bar at collusion, and say it's...

President did tell us. thank you. i would just note, jim, if people missed last hour, you asked peter navarro on the president's team, and he completely dismissed the john kelly news, saying no, no, he's not going anywhere. the only person we have heard from on the record from the president's inner circle. we'll see. >> as always, it's up to the president. he'll make the final call, maybe by twitter. joining us is cnn political commentator, robby mook, and cnn political commentator and former special assistant to president george w. bush, scott jennings. thanks. scott, if i could start with yo...

We have a long way to go on the collusion case, don't we? >> i think you are right. the obstruction investigation is a much smaller, more narrowly tailored investigation that probably was more or less wrapped up over the summer. the only thing outstanding for that one is whether or not they will interview donald trump. the collusion does seem to be ramping up in some respects and i do think that with these sentencing mem ran dumb that we're going to get this week, and that also includes michael cohen's on friday. so we're going to have three significant court filings this week that may reveal ...