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Up against it. months ago, despite what the president has said or feelings about -- in the president's view my take on it is he views any sort of admission of russian interference as a admission of collusion. i'm telling everybody it is very possible. russia was going to interfere in the elections whether going to collude or nothing. the collusion issue, i've never seen evidence on that. they did interfere and will do so again in the future, hence the deter act, if you do it again, here are the penalties -- >> they are doing it again. >> well and 30 days after the election, if our bill passes ...

Able to glean through all of these materials, a lot of people had serious concerns with that. now, there are some narrow cases where that could be acceptable. it raises a lot of questions in americans' minds that believe that there should be some fairness and some real strong guardrails between somebody who is being investigated and the lawyer that they have used in the past that is also part of that investigation. so there's very serious questions about this. we don't know where the leak is coming from, but i will have to tell you, i think it's a very serious question about what they know and...

They told him. they told him the russians did it. this is an absolutely categorically established fact, and if he could separate the collusion issue from the russian interference with the election issue, they're two separate issues. but he can't seem to separate them. and tell the american people what the russians did, how dangerous it was, that we're not going to let them do it again. that would be a tremendous service to the country. he can't quite get there. >> why? >> i don't -- i think because -- and i think i've heard some of your guests earlier today. he views this whole issue as someho...

I'm quite sure that's not what they told him. they told him the russians did it. this is an absolutely categorically established fact. and if he could separate the collusion issue from the russian interference with the election issue, they're two separate issues. but he can't seem to separate them. and tell the american people what the russians did, how dangerous it was, that we're not going to let them do it again. that would be a tremendous service to the country. he can't quite get there. >> why? >> i don't -- i think because -- and i think i've heard some of your guests earlier today. he v...

Wrote that in with a sharpie on top of it. he crossed out a line and said anyone involved in that meddling to justice, talked about bringing anyone involved in russian meddling to justice. what do you make of that? i mean, it's almost pathological his obsession with the collusion issue. are you okay with it, are you concerned about it? >> i think the president is still concerned with the amount of attention that the press brings to the fact that they still suggest that somehow he might have been involved with it. i think he feels very strongly that every time he talks about it, he's going cont...