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Worrisome. and that's how the investigation started. it is not, you know, some political hoax done by the democratic administration that was in there. now, listen, it could very well be that at the end of the day, robert mueller does not find collusion as the president is talking about, but we don't know the answer to that. >> that's right. >> one other point i want to makely quickly, i kind of -- what struck me with him talking about collusion over and over again is almost a reminder that that's how -- that's what this is supposed to be about. and that the mueller team is looking at other thi...

Late. or now, you know, donald junior who had not told anybody about this meeting. the lies are consistent. and, yes, he has confused the information that he started out with about why the meeting took place. of course, i didn't believe it when i first heard it that it was about adoptions. and so now that "the new york times" is closer to really what happened with that meeting, we're finding that that meeting took place because they were looking for the information that they told the russians had about hillary that would be harmful. so the lies are catching up with them. but i have felt this a...

Collusion as the president is talking about, but we don't know the answer to that. >> that's right. >> one other point i want to make really quickly, i kind of -- what struck me with him talking about collusion over and over again is almost a reminder that that's how -- that's what this is supposed to be about. and that the mueller team is looking at other things like obstruction of justice and who knows what else, maybe his finances. >> well -- >> that was kind of a reminder -- >> yeah, let me -- so here's a directive. any links and/or coordination between the russian government and individua...