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Write this or that? that should concern people? i would add on the collusion point one quick thing, donald trump said in the press conference, there was no collusion with me because i didn't even know and hadn't met vladimir putin. the idea that you were defining collusion as the president of the united states and the president of russia had to have known one another for there to be any collusion in any part of the campaign is just not right. he's trying to redefine collusion in a way that doesn't, whether or not it happened, that doesn't sort of merit that comparison. >> yeah. matthew, is thi...

Unincludes the republicans in congress and this network which plays such a sinister part in donald trump's power. steve: okay. let's just take those things one a by one. first of all, the collusion point has been repeatedly made but not proven. i'm interested in your point -- let's not get into that. let's wait and see that process get to the end of -- get to an outcome at the end of it. but enriching himself personally. what are you referring to there? >> right now donald trump is receiving millions of dollars of payments. we don't know how much because none of the money is disclosessed, from...

Unincludes the republicans in congress and this network which plays such a sinister part in donald trump's power. steve: okay. let's just take those things one a by one. first of all, the collusion point has been repeatedly made but not proven. i'm interested in your point -- let's not get into that. let's wait and see that process get to the end of -- get to an outcome at the end of it. but enriching himself personally. what are you referring to there? >> right now donald trump is receiving millions of dollars of payments. we don't know how much because none of the money is disclosessed, from...

Is no collusion. when they have no collusion and nobody's found any collusion, at any level. >> but did we get -- he said no collusion eight times in two minutes in response to that one question. but did we get a flat answer from the president about whether if called, he would testify? >> first thing on the collusion point. collusion's not a legal term. so no one's going to be prosecuted for collusion. if anything, it would be conspiracy to conspire with russians in their election meddling. and the fact is, that has not been eliminated by the special counsel. the special counsel is still looki...

Said mob figures tried that before, having a lawyer sitting there like a potted plant it doesn't work. >> his position so far has always been that somehow there have been negotiations that prevented him from having to go in front of the cameras. i think the white house and his lawyers will do everything they can to keep the cameras on him. i agree all of this is going to come out eventually. the scope of mueller's investigation is broader than the matter of collusion as well. the point we have to get to the bottom of and this should be nonpartisan. is to what extent did the country of russia i...