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I mean, they're negotiating terms. they're negotiating the length of the interview, the subject matter. i don't know about two subjects unless those subjects are collusion and obstruction, but i wouldn't be surprised that he is negotiating with them about what the subjects are going to be in an attempt to get them to finally sit down. >> daniel, what would make the president less valuable? what would be mueller's motivation to agree to a narrower list? >> well, to me it indicates he's not looking for a long fight, and he doesn't really want to subpoena him. there could be two reasons to do tha...

An attempt to get them to finally sit down. >> daniel, what would make the president less valuable? what would be mueller's motivation to agree to a narrower list? >> well, to me it indicates he's not looking for a long fight, and he doesn't really want to subpoena him. there could be two reasons to do that. one is he's just not that important a witness for the ongoing investigations. on the obstruction side -- >> really? >> well, on the obstruction side, it's really to hear him out and give him an opportunity to give his side of the story because he would be the one who was committing the obs...

Matter. i don't know about two subjects unless those subjects are collusion and obstruction, but i wouldn't be surprised that he is negotiating with them about what the subjects are going to be in an attempt to get them to finally sit down. >> daniel, what would make the president less valuable? what would be mueller's motivation to agree to a narrower list? >> well, to me it indicates he's not looking for a long fight, and he doesn't really want to subpoena him. there could be two reasons to do that. one is he's just not that important a witness for the ongoing investigations. on the obstruct...

Mueller is nothing if not determined and methodical and he's conducting this investigation very professionally. >> joe? i think senator -- it's fascinating and it's quite a reveal that mr. caputo in his interview said the opposite of what you say when you're going to criticize an investigation an investigation and especially on the collusion side of it. you'd usually say they're on this wild fear fishing expedition. but then he said it was very targeted and this was a real tell, they have e-mails to back up their questions. he also said they know the answers to every question that they're aski...

Challenge for the president. mueller is saying you can't just walk away from us right now. you have to sit down. he's trying to do it in a cooperative way. >> robert costa of the west with that story breaking news about the president's attorneys being informed by robert mueller that the president of the united states is subject of his investigation but currently not eight electrical karth about the president giving an interview to his investigators. robert, thank you for breaking that story. i want to bring in jennifer rogers and renato marriotty, both former federal investigators. break it do...