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The national security advisor, releaving sanctions in exchange for something else. that could be helping the election, it could be a number of things. that is at the heart of this investigation and it has been. >> what do you think about the kinds of things that are dripping out. the lawyers for white house aids and people around washington that are sort of information. >> i agree completely. i was going to make that point before you even asked the question. i feel like there was a point in this investigation six to nine months ago where we thought the collusion stuff maybe dried up. it had be...

To russians, probably through mike flynn, the incoming national security adviser, potentially to others, to release sanctions in exchange for something else. that something else could be business dealings for donald trump. that something else can be help in the election. it could be a number of things. that in a way is at the heart of this investigation, has been at the heart of this investigation ever from the very beginning. >> what do you think about the fact these are the kinds of things that are dripping out at this point in the mueller probe? in the beginning it was a lot of the threads ...

Basically saying we would like to politicize, you know, the back and forth with mccain family which is shocking in and of itself. broader speaking, it's, you know, we threw this at him and it's not working. we threw that at them. what will it take, dan, to bring him down. that's what i'm hearing. >> it's not going to work. most of the american people who support donald trump see this fight completely differently than the media does. it's a mentality for a lot of them. they are defending the guy who searched didding them. what they don't understand is they understanding the media's role in prop...

Roger. whereas andrew miller was brought back into the fold around the time of the rnc, with roger in cleveland and working for him the months after that are in question >> ben, one thing that is striking is you have mueller having referred some cases. a number of folks that work in d.c. that aren't paul manafort to u.s. attorneys. referred out the michael cohen matter. this has not referred out. >> that is right and the reason for that is pretty clear which is if you look at the gru, the hacking indimctment, the link t roger stone is the collusion stuff. and the heart of the mueller investiga...

She got ensnared? the fbi sting and was arrested for selling prescription drugs. and she didn't get out of prison until may of 2016. so her knowledge for working for roger. whereas andrew miller was brought back into the fold around the time of the rnc, with roger in cleveland and working for him the months after that are in question >> ben, one thing that is striking is you have mueller having referred some cases. a number of folks that work in d.c. that aren't paul manafort to u.s. attorneys. referred out the michael cohen matter. this has not referred out. >> that is right and the reason fo...