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Investigation fatigue. i think i can speak for all of america that they would rather do my laundry than here about this investigation. remember bob beckel? he would boycott segments. he would go like this. >> dana: what segments did he boycott? >> greg: benghazi. you don't care about this collusion stuff. it is b.s. >> dana: a legal scholar at berkeley was at the 2:00 show. he said he believes the president should testify. he said he is the chief law enforcement officer. >> jason: the president will testify. he doesn't, the advice he gets. our smartphones leading to the death of conversation?

Don't know, is that manafort's attorneys have in their hands everything that gates told federal prosecutor. how is that being communicated? >> through the lawyers. you are right, it is supposition, it is conjecture. and sometimes our limitations on whether they can share that information. >> what is the ethical guidelines. >> there is no ethical guidelines, it varies. and for all we know, mueller could have gone to the judge and said we want the keep the collusion stuff out of this material. i don't think that would win because you have to cross examine him. it goes to show how crucial rick ga...

>> and that's a real meeting. >> that's a real meeting on another provable subject in which he would not participate. >> your key supposition, we don't know, is that manafort's attorneys have in their hands everything that gates told federal prosecutor. how is that being communicated? >> through the lawyers. you are right, it is supposition, it is conjecture. and sometimes our limitations on whether they can share that information. >> what is the ethical guidelines. >> there is no ethical guidelines, it varies. and for all we know, mueller could have gone to the judge and said we want the keep...

>> the number jr. called. >> he claimed that it was about adoptions. but everyone still seems to somehow believe because they said it so often that nothing really came of it, nothing useful was produced. we don't know that. maybe they established an open lie so that on october 7 i think it was when the "access hollywood" tape came out 32 minutes laert the russians dumped or wikileaks leaked all the podesta e-mail conveniently. so who knows what happened in that meeting. >> bob mueller knows. and that's what we'll find out at the end of this investigation. and so we can hypothesize. but the col...

Threadline and now the playboy model is back in the issue is here again. if you have 12 more indictments out of the mueller probe and we're having a conversation about what the president did standing up there next to president but pin and capitulating to him in the post public forum possible, now you're talking about karen mcdougal. >> yeah. you think about this ongoing investigation. i hope it gets wrapped up soon. don't you think it's important for the sake of the country that we come to a conclusion here, whatever that may be, we need to know whether there was any collusion or not? as long ...