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Congress, people around him have given us the cig that that whsi sits down with mueller he'll tell them everybody he knows. >> collusion, and obstruction. the collusion stuff, bannon is mostly conjecturing. weren't around for a lot of the key events. not central. the obstruction case in terms of what happened with comey and the crafting of that letter from air force one about the june meet g meeting, retrospectively, on the obstruction case, i think bannon has a lot of stuff to say. >> he was certainly there. michael schmidt, incredible reporting. robert costa, yours is always amazing. thank y...

Examples where the president is giving mueller a window into his intentions as he did when we learned that he had ordered mcgahn to order rosenstein to fire mueller and that when he drafted the misleading memorandum on air force one. so we get a picture of what this president is thinking with respect to the investigation. with respect to the collusion stuff -- >> so -- >> give me one second. if you don't mind, jim. on the collusion stuff, what we don't know is whether this fisa warrant was targeted against carter page in his sort of individual capacity or carter page in a broader sort of consp...

Because he thinks it will damage the mueller investigation. so that's almost an admission of intent to interfere with or obstruct an investigation. so i think mueller can take note of that. it's another one of these examples where the president is giving mueller a window into his intentions as he did when we learned that he had ordered mcgahn to order rosenstein to fire mueller and that when he drafted the misleading memorandum on air force 1. so we get a picture of what this president is thinking with respect to the investigation. with respect to the collusion stuff. >> so. >> give me one sec...

Got to be a quid pro quo. absent that, all this collusion stuff is a hobby horse for politics, frankly. >> what he did there was, a line was drawn saying, i'm only saying no collusion to the stuff that i know about, i did myself. and anything else that happened, hey, you know, hands off. >> that's a separate issue for the country about whether or not the russians are trying to influence the election. the only thing he can speak to really in terms of the mueller investigation is what it is either he did, he sanctioned or he knew about. that's it. >> robert ray, phil mudd, grade to ha great to h...

And they will be at some point when all of this is wrapped up, there will be a time to talk and for public accountability. but i think, fred, it's important in terms of the president and this idea he's not under investigation, there are two things that mueller is looking at that we know of for a fact based on the questions that mueller's team has posed to reince priebus and sean spicer and to others who have appeared before him and that has to do with the firing of the former fbi director, the big obstruction investigation and also keep in mind the air force i, aboard air force i, there was th...