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Got to be a quid pro quo. absent that, all this collusion stuff is a hobby horse for politics, frankly. >> what he did there was, a line was drawn saying, i'm only saying no collusion to the stuff that i know about, i did myself. and anything else that happened, hey, you know, hands off. >> that's a separate issue for the country about whether or not the russians are trying to influence the election. the only thing he can speak to really in terms of the mueller investigation is what it is either he did, he sanctioned or he knew about. that's it. >> robert ray, phil mudd, grade to ha great to h...

Said i could run your campaign, she said, basically, i'm not into that. paul begala, do you buy this? oprah is not the future of your party? or is this just as john thinks, a political answer? >> i -- it seems to me completely candid and very self-aware. one of the things about our politics is that maybe the most important thing and i've contributed to this, i have to admit, you got to have a thick skin. i help to devise a super pac, we ran $190 million of attack ads on donald trump and you have to carefully decode what i say on the air, but i don't like much donald trump. i don't regret any o...

Trump to get way with the same logic that you just used if there were missing text messages that related to the russia investigation and four months of all of the campaign staff messages disappeared? there is no way that people would accept that as a valid answer. >> we're not going to satisfy you. but, you know, we let you speak your mind on this. >> john is really -- he's stating the facts here. these are facts that you cannot dispute unless you know the context of the secret society text, with our justice reporter who has seen it, doesn't know. because there is no context yet. why don't we ...