1993 when the combat exclusion was lifted, i was 15 years old, and i didn't quite have an idea of how big of an impact that policy change would make, and obviously captain mariner and her contemporaries have a lot to do with that decision and if you look at the female aviators that took part in the flyover today, we all have multiple combat deployments and all because of women like captain mariner and joellen here and the other contemporaries that paved the way for us and broken down the barriers. >> joellen, i want to talk with you, i asked stacy about this, what was it like for you to witnes...