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Vietcong, we signed the peace accord, everybody was happy and two years later the north vietnamese invaded the south and push the government out, defeated the military and took over. incidentally, our negotiations with the iranians haven't proven too successful to this point. so you know, jon, the idea of goargting with an unknown agencity, the taliban don't have an established government, they don't have an established capitol, they're an amore physical entity, element out there and we give them a legit -- legitimacy they don't deserve when we talk about negotiating with them. jon: then there...

Some of the key players are too worried over there. they're going to play the game as long as they have to. if things get really hot for them they're simply going to leave the country and retire somewhere quite comfortably, like europe, where they can be happy and be taken care of the rest of their lives, while the misery, the fighting, the death, the despair in their country, continues to go on. jon: well, i know you and i both have sons in the early and we both have a vested interest in seeing this thing succeed. and hopefully, not too many more casualties in that country. bill caoan, thank ...