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Liberals, including kagan who worked for president obama. >> laura: 5-4 on the commerce issue. >> the language in the majority opinion, which she joined, was scathing for him. i mean they went on and said congress has never tried to go this far before. the commerce clause is not a general license to regulate any individual from cradle to grave. that -- there has been some limitation on the congress' power under that clause. >> i would say it's limited the congress clause but exploded the -- what it means to tax. that's great. but creates other problem. can we get to holder? i'm dying to know w...

Way they can pay for it is for all of us who are in good shape are part of that system. there can't be any free riders. i disagree with you about the supreme court decision. the supreme court is going to have to think very carefully before they knock out this mandate. if they knock out this mandate, what about other mandates? is it against the law for you to be required to have automobile insurance. >> if i drive a car, but that's my choice. >> is it against the law for you to not pay your taxes? >> you're talking about different things. you're talking about -- there's not a choice here. >> yo...