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Commissioner constable say anything to mayor zimmer in words or substance along the lines of mayor zimmer's allegation. and this, mayor doherty said he did not hear commission constable say anything about quid pro quos or make threats to anyone. mayor doherty observed that zimmer may have been associating the subjects in her own mind, but that's not what constable said so the mastro report concludes that he appears to be telling the truth. we saw a problem with this. back in january, when zimmer first made her allegations, a reporter who knew that doherty had been on stage that night asked him...

Hear commissioner constable threaten or use any language that implied a quid pro quo. mayor zimmer did most of the talking and commissioner constable most of the listening. it's my opinion any threat or quid pro quo would be opposite to constable's character as i know it. mayor zimmer is an excellent mayor of hoboken and someone i believe is honest and truthful." did he or did he not hear the entire conversation? the accuracy of the mastro report rests on that question. joining me to discuss why this is a crucial point, msnbc contributor brian murphy. he's a former managing editor at politicsn...

To appear on the show, his office declined, but immediately helped us arrange an interview with dougherty instead, which we did. we had one basic question we wanted an answer to. did you hear the whole conversation between them or not? well, we're still trying to figure out what he said. the report is stating here that mayor doherty heard the conversation. the report is relying on you as an independent eyewitness who heard the conversation and can conclusively say that this did not come up. can you conclusively say this did not come up or are there parts of the conversation you did not hear? >...

>> so here's what i heard from matt doherty yesterday. he said he never heard anything like what zimmer is alleging but also said it's possible he didn't hear the whole conversation. then he said he thinks he does hear it all but also dawn zimmer isn't fabricating anything, even though he didn't hear constable say anything she alleges he said. he guesses it's possible he missed part of the conversation if they were whispering, then he quickly adds they weren't whispering. this is the man the mastro report is relying on. to discredit a major part of dawn zimmer's allegation against the christie...

Probably the sound team is listening and he says, i hear you against the rockefeller project. i reply, i am not against the rockefeller project. in fact, i want more commercial development in hoboken. oh, really? everyone in the statehouse believes you are against it. the buzz is that you are against it. if you move that forward, money would start flowing to you, he tells me." that's from her diary. constable has vehemently denied her charges. the mastro report sides with him and sides against dawn zimmer. sitting on that same stage with zimmer an constable on that night was matt doherty. he i...