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The question before you isnt whether these documents can be ordered disclosed, it is whether these officials have committed a violation of the ordinance. And that is itself, wrapped up into this analysis and im sorry i cant help you any further. I hope that does something to help. Thanks. Commissioners, ray heart, San Francisco, open government, now that this Ethics Committee is Holding Meetings on sfgtv in full view of the public it becomes more apparent how much of an enabler this body has been, it enables city bodies and personnel to evade their daoulties under the law and to hide that from...

If the correspondence revealed that, you would not disclose that. Absolutely. And there may be other information too. I mean we are speaking abstractly, so i. You know i am doing the best that i can. I think that yes, absolutely, the identity of anyone that the Controllers Office was adjudicating, like inaudible during the course of the investigation inaudible protected confidential. I am trying to understand what kind of information could be in the file that if we asked the Controllers Office and the Ethics Commission to rereview for potentially nonprivileged documents what those could even e...

Alice and so those of you on the commission who are here i note that there are only three. You know me, my name is paul curior and i am passionate about open government and i am passionate about things being done by the book. And when you have people like the District Attorney and the mayor who are committed wholesale felonies, i really need they need to be prosecuted. And i dont know if this is the forum for that. But this is the forum to discuss things like the integrity of the process. And this is the forum to discuss things like whether the Ethics Commission itself has a conflict of intere...

Time regarding files in general. But for this particular case you. We have spent a lot of time on the files. I mean, in light that have representation, it is unclear to me what benefits is going to be derived from having her redo what has already been apparently closely done and there is no mechanism that we can provide to ensure any greater accuracy. Not like there is an encamera review procedure or anything. I am not sure what benefit is derived for her to going back and revaoe view the documents. Are you saying that all of the notes, all of the documents in the file for this particular matt...

Is beyond the investigatorry file itself and may include correspondence about the handling of the aspect and not the file itself and to the extent that any such records might exist, they to me, to my read might be subject to disclosure, albeit in a redacted form. I dont know if they exist, but that is my view on that with regard to any closing memo, if there was i dont know what the language of a closing memo offered by the Commission Staff regarding this complaint refers to. Again, if such a thing exists if it is not otherwise made confidential, and i need to analyze that further, i would thi...