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Is not a poll igs it. he usually gets benefit when you say that, yeah, that's right. >> that's exactly right. >> i think it's that he doesn't have leadership qualities. he has never had to practice these before, he has never run a team, he has never had to be out in front and give the guidance that are expected in situations like this, john kirby. you know, if this is the way he reacted and he knew that's one thing, but i think the bigger concern is that he didn't know. that his reaction to the information was, really? oh, that's too bad. what is the chance that the president of the united sta...

The opponent that we were running against, it's inconceivable to me that that would not catch my attention. and the idea that that -- this wasn't just, like, oh, some random words or something. this was russia/clinton. that's going to grab your attention, i think. >> no, look -- >> i think you're 100% right we should stick to the facts and just as we should not exaggerate or get ahead of the story, we should not every time there's a revelation say, this is a big nothing burger, so they got an e-mail discussing collusion, but that doesn't prove anything. >> i think we should cover this. it shou...

Communications setup at the russian embassy that would evade u.s. detection. and as a journalist, i think that's really important to know. i want to know if white house officials, why are white house officials talking to russian government representatives about that? why was -- >> the objective was, by the way, the objective wasn't to evade u.s., it was the kislyak said is there a secure line here from trump tower, kushner and flynn said, no, there's not a secure line and raised the idea of using something in the russian embassy -- >> keep in mind, jared was a transition official and is a whit...

Security. the president who said he wants to facilitate a peace deal is potentially a problem. abbas does not speak for hamas. their general principles and policies document they released last week make it clear they're still committed to the destruction of the jewish state. as long as hamas exists, the so-called two-state solution is a pipe dream. >> shannon: you mentioned earlier several issues complicating all of this relationship. with regard to russia and what's going on in syria right now, what can the u.s. and israel as allies do to better that situation? >> well, look, israelis are not...