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It is classic russian behavior to take that kind of thing and use it against someone. you know the term comp ro mot. isn't that like opposition research? no. opposition research is done to weaken an opponent. when the russians collect information knowing that someone is lying when the american public doesn't know about it, they think of that as leverage. so in that period of time, had this never come to light now that it's out in the open, perhaps that leverage is weakened or gone. had this never come to light, that would be important leverage on an american president as would be the exchanges...

Deputy director who happened to serve as acting director in 2004. john, let's start on the news. on russia, i wanted to ask you this a few days back and then we will get to 41. what we learned about russia in the past several days means among other things, especially in your line of work, they have known for two years that the president had someone around him who was telling a lie about russia. >> that's right, brian. it is classic russian behavior to take that kind of thing and use it against someone. you know the term comp ro mot. isn't that like opposition research? no. opposition research ...