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With you because you're kicking our butt here in the marketplace, you need to go away. that's just not something. if you're a competitor and you believe in what you're doing, you're going to stand up and fight, and that's what we're doing. >> and paul, you're obviously broadening this from this particular company and what's happening with impression products. from your perspective, what are the implications here? >> the implications are enormous. the question is whether or not there can be resale markets for patented goods, and that includes virtually anything. that includes cars, cell phones,...

Going forward and manage it. >> one of the things they could have done is they don't believe competition works. why not remove barriers who-to-have nationwide shopping for health insurance. i live in new jersey. we have crazy regulations. can i buy almost a similar policy in pennsylvania. half the price can i in new jersey. can i buy a house in pennsylvania. i can't buy insurance. why not have nationwide shopping. have hundreds of companies compete. then you will start to see some real innovation. >> that was discussed. why wasn't that part of this. why wasn't that obstacle to that? >> ideolog...

Prices, you have have a choice of either passing that cost on to seniors or blowing up the deficit. what would you do? >> well, let's stand back first. there's nothing about seniors in our plan. >> right. you'd wait ten years to implement any plan. >> there's no change for anyone who is retired or nearing retirement. it is only dealing with those people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and early 50s. that's the group we're dealing with and we're saying what's the best deal for them. it strikes me the best deal for them is to let them either buy current medicare or to have a private plan. a lot like medi...

To seniors or blowing up the deficit. what would you do? >> well, let's stand back first. there's nothing about seniors in our plan. >> right. you'd wait ten years to implement any plan. >> there's no change for anyone who is retired or nearing retirement. it is only dealing with those people in their 20s, 30s, 40s and early 50s. that's the group we're dealing with and we're saying what's the best deal for them. it strikes me the best deal for them is to let them either buy current medicare or to have a private plan. a lot like medicare advantage today. >> that didn't drive down prices, govern...

It strikes me the best deal for them is to either buy current medicare or to have a private plan. a lot like medicare advantage today. i like medicare advantage. >> that didn't drive down prices, governor. >> oh, it sure did. actually what you're saying with medicare today was medicare part "d" the prescription drug benefit is that congress, in putting this together, said look we're going to allow companies to compete for a package of prescription drug benefits, and the cost that they've come up with is far less than anyone predicted. competition. look competition works. >> let me turn to fore...