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Communicating with both gucifer 2.0 and wikileaks? roger stone, donald trump's main political operative. so to me if you look at the overall picture and the overall timeli timeline, you clearly have a conspiracy to basically steal the e-mails from the democratic national committee in order to throw the election to donald trump. you've got lots of indications that somewhere in this process the trump campaign joined that conspiracy. >> right. >> they didn't have to agree with the russians at the time. if i'm the campaign and you're the russians, we don't even have to talk. i can just talk to nat...

Use them to elect donald trump, that's enough and it's a conspiracy to violate the federal computer hacking law, which is the computer fraud and abuse act. and that's where i think all of this is going. >> the provision of taking something of value from a foreign entity to the campaign. but here's the other thing because also roger stone is paul manafort's former business partner which is also intriguing. the question then becomes, natasha, whether or not all of these individuals are separately seeking dirt on hillary clinton in the form of e-mails. george papadopoulos saying we think the russ...

Reporting it it -- it was a night of heavy drinking and with an australian diplomat. so ken is asking, what else might he have said and who else might have he told this very piece of information. >> it is hard to believe that he didn't pass this information along to the trump campaign, to the people that he was reporting to. this puts the trump campaign right into the conspiracy -- >> may 2016. >> right. to steal the e-mails and to use them to throw the election to donald trump. that is the crime that is being investigated. conspiracy to violate the federal computer hacking law. and to use tho...

Roger stone. then all of the wikileaks. >> contact action we now have. >> there is a major conspiracy. one, to either violate the federal computer hacking law, the computer fraud and abuse act, or there was a quid pro quo for dropping sanctions in return for help on the election. >> okay. that is a theory of the case. this is the thing. that quid pro quo he is sort of a speculative question, although i think plausible theory. here is the thing, matt. if you take a step back, russia criminally intervened to help donald trump win the election. criminal sabotage. the newly elected president, the ...

Clear and simple obstruction of justice case. the only thing he has going for him now is there is this open question about whether he can be indicted or not or whether it has to be left to congress where of course there is still a republican majority. >> but again, i think the more important case here is the conspiracy. >> the first order case. you think they're building a very strong conspiracy case. >> oh, most definitely. it goes back to april of 2016 when papadopoulos learns of the stolen dnc e-mails. it goes to june 4th when goldstone is writing about the important dirty dirt they have on...