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Rick, stop. no one is calling for those guys in that wildlife refuge to be shot. >> jonathan shade yesterday said he'll take option two of shooting them. people have. so i think it's important to apply the rule of law evenly across all parts of the political do main. i think it's important for -- i think it's not a defense of the blm or the on surdty of the federal land holdings of the west of this country to say if these guys want to change this they need to go through a ser reese of political accepts, not just at the point of a gun. they have a legitimate right to protest and air their griev...

They have a legitimate right to protest and air their grievances, if this gets loud and folks die on both sides of the equation, it's not good for the republic. >> what should law enforcement do in this situation? >> i think they need to wait them out. there's in reason to provoke a con front facing. the bundy clan will eventually leave and when they do i think they should be arrested. >> joy, that's not what happened last time. >> not only were they not arrested but cliven bundy's $1 million that they still owed, the federal government has not enforced that. >> they're pursuing it in civil ac...