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The confederacy, and the irony is you sit in front of the capital and i can see the confederate flag behind you. >> well, i will say -- >> in mississippi you tell us, my understanding is these are points of view that seem to play well with her base there. no? >> well, number one, that's the state flag, not the confederate flag. >> it's incorporated into the state flag. >> i understand. >> i think you understand the point i was making. >> yes, sir, i do. and i am one who does believe we need to get rid of that flag. it's time to move on and put it in the history books. that said, i think mike e...

>> morgan: this is not the first time thune and flake partnered up. there was drama about jeff flake going into the caucus room and kuhn was working on him. the two have been working closely together. on kavanaugh, yes, for kavanaugh. relates to judicial nominees, listen, flake's main argument, i'm a true conservative and president trump is not. that is why he's probably going to run against him in the primary in 2020. good luck with that f. that is your argument, you are the true conservative, for me, it defys logic you would holdup the justices, that is a tactic i would see someone from the ...

He'll change his rhetoric tonight and maybe that can be a sense that he recognizes some responsibility here. but he has tried no matter what to get his voters out. he has said in interviews we won. on kavanaugh, we won. so the other things don't matter. at some point you have to step back and say when we're talking about public safety, if your words are going to matter, if public safety and national security really are that important, then what are you going to do about it and what message are you going to send to the country and how are you going to be believable when you stand up and say thi...

Mccaskill is talking about health care, these big national story, whether it's russia or judge kavanaugh even, maybe energizing in spurts and moments, but inside people's daily lives it's the issues we just listed there topped by health care. >> that's right. and you saw mitch mcconnell said recently that should he get enough votes in the senate there would be an effort to overturn obamacare yet again. so i think that will motivate democrats to turn out. but it's very interesting. we spent all our time in washington focusing on khashoggi, on kavanaugh, on the russia investigation and it turns ...

Kavanaugh. one she's been explaining to her constituents ever since. which brings me to the next race to watch, the north dakota senate race where heitkamp st. trailing her opponent by eight points. but heitkamp may not be worried because of the stunning opposite that took place six years ago because of polls that had ten points behind. she's looking for a repeat. john, thank you for being with us. tell me how you see the math that went into heidi heitkamp's decision to vote no on kavanaugh and announce it ahead of time and whether that was met. whether what she was to scott kelly on "60 minut...