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And so if all of the federal government workers working under president obama are working happily without these rights nothing has been lost in wisconsin. >> well, i think he's trying to split hairs when comparing, you know, federal workers and state workers. i think what we really saw here is scott walker's attempt to ignite, you know, one branch of the middle class. middle class families that are in unions. and get them to pick a fight or be angry with middle class families that aren't in unions. and vice versa. what this really is about, in my opinion, this is about scott walker trying to d...

Walker trying to dismantle and permanently cripple, you know, organized labor which as he knows supports democrats. he's trying to take out the mechanism by which a lot of democrats get elected and these democrats that fight for working families. and i think that it is an organized, concentrated effect. and i think scott walker's trying to make a big name for himself nationally. i don't think he's tending to what's really best for wisconsin. >> senator erpenbach -- go ahead, senator. >> yeah, i've got a couple of things to say about that, if i could. first of all, it's very odd that he compare...