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Anyways, the owner of the patriots, the owner of the bills. it was quite striking and i don't think they had any clue how to handle. >> martha: to me, the president always seems to know when he's got his finger on something that's a good trigger. however, when you look at these polls, it does feel like you got the support of a lot of america. >> no doubt and i think the league knows that too. and i think the numbers we saw a pretty consistent if not even closer than they were about eight years ago. he believes it's a winning issue for him. i'm not sure he's wrong. i think is going to keep hitt...

Sitting around thinking it this is what's dividing this country to desperately is the fact that these players ar taking a knee. the president is taking that as one more opportunity to divide an already driveded country and it has worked in the past. the question is is it enough to work this time? right now he looks at his crowd and says they're supportive of me, but is that going to be enough when you have as many people on the other side now saying, i'm against this? not because of the free speech, not because of the issues about police and interactions with african americans, but i'm against...

Football as an enterprise is in trouble. it's in trouble because of the concussion issue. parents are not letting their kids play football. there's this whole the wind is blowing against football. so they're going to lose people over this on the other side. they just are. >> all right, guys, we didn't solve any problems but we certainly pointed a lot out. when we come back it's end game time a. very prominent baby boomer explains how his generation broke america. author steven brill joins me next. memorial day isn't just a three-day week. it's a time to honor those who died defending this co...

Football with this concussion issue and what have you and cord cutting i mean broadcast television this is a problem in general. i think goodell was between a rock and a hard place and he made the best of a very difficult situation. i don't disagree with anything kennedy said. that would be great if we can move on but he didn't, he couldn't be in a position of restricting the free speech of these players. i think by the way they will move on. they will find other voices for this sort of protest then the national anthem. >> neil: ben stein? >> ben: these guys are a bunch of big babies. they don...

Stand, we will work with our players to deal with the underlying issues of racial injustice." that's speaking to the issue. >> trish: do you think roger goodell cares? >> i do think roger goodell cares because of two things. one, i think you're right. it's a money issue. and here's the thing the reason that the ratings are going down is two score. it's because of an active boycott against african-americans and the catholic fraternity that colin kaepernick is a part of. >> trish: i don't know if roger goodell really cares. i will tell you why -- >> roger goodell cares about money. >> trish: if ...