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Going to reserve judgment on rex tillerson's nomination. what do you need to find out about him? >> you know have an open mind. i want someone who agrees with what donald trump said he campaigned on. and that was that regime change hasn't worked or made us safer and the iraq war was a mistake and the i don't know about tillerson. but i think those are important because if we don't learn from the mistakes of the iraq war we'll continue to repeat those same mistakes. i think donald trump gets that and i want his secretary of state to also. >> you have been vocal in your criticism of that war. ob...

Northern iraq. he was giving up information on targets. as he passes into the role he's going to have to to be smartest guy in the room taking after folks like kissinger, skoe croft, hague, condaleezza rice. and he's got to build consensus with heavy hitters like the s.e.c. deaf, the s.e.c. --. and vice president and chairman of the joint chiefs. and he's going to help the president find the right solutions for some the most difficult military and diplomatic problems that he'll face. so this is a guy that's going to have to broaden his experiences from just collecting and disseminating militar...

They simply had not found the right candidate and because of that according to transition officials a call was placed by violent mike pence to steven hadley and condaleezza rice and he was basically a welcoming for other bias. and they sat back --. -- look for other ideas. they thought back to individuals they had worked with and tillerson came to mind for one good reason. his relationships with international communities and international leaders at his time on exxon. again, it is important to note donald trump and recollection tillerson did not know one another until this call was actually ma...