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Condition. brooke, we heard from mr. mandela's wife as well saying that although mr. mandela may sometimes be uncomfortable, very few times he is in pain. she is saying today that mr. mandela is fine. so that's why i have to stress, brooke, that this document, it seems, was written on the 26th of june. so we don't know whether mr. mandela's health has improved since then. or, you know, we should be asking questions about the information that we've been getting from the presidency, brooke. >> i know it's been difficult getting information from the hospital. but, you know, it's a family and thei...

And there's always an excuse for it. and there's the confidentiality issue of it. these are very sensitive things. you know, you call bernie madoff and say i don't understand the money in-out, he pulls the wire. or he says the sec was just in here, which is what i understand he said constantly. you can question me, but the sec gave me a clean bill of health. >> well, a high-level risk management officer for jpmorgan chase sent an e-mail to colleagues that said, i am sitting at lunch with a bank executive who just told me there's a well-known cloud over the head of madoff and that his returns a...

Worked at a broker at goldman, and it would be almost impossible to detect it like that. and there's always an excuse for it. remember, there's also a confidentiality issue. we probably don't think there should be confidentiality, in retrospect, wish everyone blew the whistle. you call him i don't understand the in and out, he pulls the wire, or he says the sec was just in here, which i understand is what he said constantly. you can question me, but the sec gave me a clean bill of health. >> a high level risk officer chased in an e-mail said i am sitting at lunch with a bank executive who just...

Original depositors. this is the best investment in history. >> no, you can't see. i have both been on the buy side -- i ran a hedge fund, and the sell side. i worked as a broker at goldman. it would be almost impossible to detect the in-out like that. and there's always an excuse for it. and there's the confidentiality issue of it. these are very sensitive things. you know, you call bernie madoff and say i don't understand the money in-out, he pulls the wire. or he says the sec was just in here, which is what i understand he said constantly. you can question me, but the sec gave me a clean bi...