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How many celebrities do you think are good role model? who who are you happy for your children to be exposed to. >> my daughter loves taylor swift. >> loves bono. he's a great example of using his gifts. he's built something great. now he's helping others. i like people like that. the other thing that's important, i talked to our children all the time what you put in will come out of you. it's so important. you have your whole future. you got all of me, my granddaddy and victoria. there's no reason you can't do great things with your life. but it's about our choices. >> one of the moral mazes ...

That's the american dream. anyone can achieve anything if you work hard enough. >> i believe that's true. especially with god's blessings you can go even further. again, i think it's important to go back to this so we don't leave it on us. how can we bless others. how we can help those or fans. how can we build children's homes. >> how much money have you raised for other people, now? >> our churches have raised millions. >> do you know how much? >> no. >> how much have we given away? millions of dollars. personally we've given away millions of dollars too. i want to get off on this is you can...

There's no reason you can't do great things with your life. but it's about our choices. >> one of the moral mazes is homosexuality and there's been lots of coverage in the news recently about don't-ask, don't-tell campaign obviously. what's your view because it seems to change depending on the interview i've read or seen. is homosexuality a sin. >> scripture shows it's a sin. i'm not one of those out there to bash homosexuals and tell them they are terrible people. there are other sins in the bible too. sometimes the church, i don't mean this critically we focus on one issue or two issues and ...

Of -- >> so the most shocking said you've ever said from the pulpit is when you declared to your congregation you are going to go out and buy victoria secret's underwear for your boyfriends or wives. joel, have you been drinking today? >> that was when i was a lot younger. i've matured since then. i think the context of the message -- i think that was six, seven years ago. i think i was talking about how relationships with husbands and wives and how wives don't look good for everybody else, look good for your husband, too. >> don't wear that same old bathrobe you've been wearing for ten years....

>> isn't it easy to say natural you're loaded. most of your parishioners, the people in the congregation don't have this kind of money. is there a contradiction there between saying god wants us to be rich if you're the only rich guy standing there? >> again i don't say that. i say god wants us to be blessed. if anything it's an example to me if god did it for us -- i was working at a church where are you going to make the kind of fund. if god did it for us he can do it for you. it's important because i get categorized into this guy that wants everybody to be rich. god wants you to be rich in ...