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Mick, should i declare an emergency, would you recommend he would do that? it would certainly almost immediately be enjoined by the courts, and that could be playing his last card. >> we're just as aware of all of those contingencies you just laid out as even else is, so if there's ways to try and mitigate those risks, we certainly will. some pots of money are easier to get to, so again, this is not something we're shooting on from the hip. we've been working on this for months. we have been hoping for months to do it by legislation with the democrats, but at the end of the day, the president ...

When the spending measure runs out. if congress comes back with a plan that does not include the $5.7 billion president trump wants for his proposed wall, or at least some percentage of that, he has threatened to let the government shut down again or declare a national emergency to bypass congress. joining me now to talk more about this is the president's acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney. mick, welcome back to "fox news sunday." i know you got back to south carolina to see your family for the fist time since new year's. >> thanks for having me, as always. john: so did the president here ca...

Legally and said, gee, we're in the united states of america -- john: sounds like you've got a lot to talk about. >> we do. these are not new issues, is the other point, john. john: no, of course. >> these are issues that members of congress don't know a lot about. there's nothing we're going to learn, frankly, in the next three weeks we don't know now. so let's get started, let's find solutions. let's not continue to disappoint the people we work for by not showing the ability to work together. john: and ronald reagan learned in the 1980s the dangers of cutting a deal on -- >> in 2013 we pass...

To vote for the wall measure. plus -- >> i will plead not guilt to these -- not guilty to these charges. john: what does the indictment of roger stone mean for the mueller investigation? we'll ask the sunday panel how problematic this is for the president. then, the democrat-controlled house moves to block president trump from pulling out of nato. >> it's quite simply the most successful political/military alliance in world history. john: we'll discuss the future of the u.s. role in this strategic alliance with jens stoll ten berg, secretary general of the north atlantic treaty association a...

Shutdown. if no deal, then it's off to the races. and 21 days goes quickly and negotiations with democrats will start immediately. not easy to make a deal, both parties are really dug in. national security has been greatly enhanced by what has been happening at the bar der and through dialog. we will build the wall. and made it clear if congress cannot come up with a plan by february 15th, he'll declare a national emergency. he's aware this will be a legal fight, but it's something that he's prepared to do if congress cannot come together here in the next 21 days. leland: and political allies ...