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the database only connists of the phone number calling from, the date of the call, the length of the call, and it was queried 300 times last year under court order from the fisa court, the foreign intelligence surveillance court -- martha: well, several times they have disagreed with this program, where they have said that the program has many times been in violation of the rules. they've also cited instances where thousands of e-mails were also collected because when these rules were passed, you know, the world wasn't texting and e-mailing the way we are now, and that's one of the things that's raised a lot of big questions here, karl. >> well, the metadata program is an entirely different program, this one is authorized under section 215 of the patriot act, and that's what the judge's decision was about. this is a valuable program. you raised a question about whether or not there ought to be constraints on it, that's appropriate for both lawmakers and the executive branch to decide.