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This isn't a rule that just affects power plants or businesses. it's going to affect every american as it takes affect. >> right. this is -- what they're doing in the past, the epa has always regulated power plants, heavy industry. here they're going outside the fence line, which is a technical term, but means these apply to the entire state, it applies to consumers, small businesses, basically everybody. so they say not -- not only cut back on coal-fired power and natural gas, but have all kinds of efficiency and conservation programs, more renewables, so really affecting the entire economy o...

Eight minutes after the hour. all right, later this morning we could find out more about the threats facing the u.s. from overseas. lawmakers will be briefed on the latest world dangers and the impact of the edward snowden leaks by the director of national intelligence, james clapper, along with the directors of the cia and the fbi, all appearing before the house intelligence committee. after three years of haggling, congress is poised to pass a new farm bill. the measure just cleared its last hurdle in the senate. a final vote as early as today could send this to the president's desk. the...

The country. on the other side is the argument that, look, if you allow this, if you allow congress to force people to buy a product from a private company, there's no stopping them. they can require you to buy only american cars because the economy needs it. they could require you to buy only health foods because we don't want you to get fat and become a drag on the public coffers because you're getting sick and a drag on the health care industry. so that's the problem. and i think there is somewhat of an analogy though in social security except there they require you to buy into a social sec...

Care and social security. >> paul, so the court of public opinion is changing ever so slightly. we've got these nine appellate judges who have upheld the health care law. three ruled it constitutional. the white house is saying now we know the affordable care act is constitutional and are confident the supreme court will agree. and we just heard from pete williams earlier in this hour that's a supreme court will give 5 1/2 hours dedicated to hear the sides on this. so any clues from your legal opinion on which way the supreme court might go? >> there is just too many variables here. and it's a...

Beast." his new article appears this week in "newsweek." explain to all of us so we can understand, the sort of handouts we're about to investigate here, how did they all get uncovered and how much are we talking about? >> this is about $30 billion annually that goes to the top of that half 1%. senator tom coburn of oklahoma asked the irs for some of the data to look at how much money was going. half of this is direct payments and programs like social security, agriculture payments, conservation programs. the other half is tax breaks and tax loopholes that all together add up to about $30 bill...