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The ball forward enough i. e. allow for more flexibility for states by doing so, those csr's that we've heard talk about in the news, we could get those done for two years, if we're able to provide a more conservative solution, which means flexibility, catastrophic plans and more waivers for states to be innovative and creative in the healthcare so as to make sure the average person can afford a policy that covers their wants and not pay for the coverage they simply do not need. >> harris: before i let you go, i want to talk one more question about tax reform because it's hitting me now as we'...

Touched on it. return power to the states. how does this do that? >> so whoever controls the dollar has the power. we give the money back to the state. ted cruz's amendment originally part of it that allows health savings accounts to purchase premiums gives a mechanism for the state to return the power to the patient. pre-funding the health savings account the patient can purchase the insurance she wants from the company she wishes to purchase it from. that gives her the power. ultimately that's where it needs to be. great conservative solution. >> bill: do you think it can live in the end? >>...

They feel health care has not gotten better, i feel they will punish republicans. on the other hand, if this bill does as well as republicans think it will, then it will benefit them. if elderly voters find their premiums go up or younger voters find their premiums go down. >> some wanted to go further, right, and some think it goes too far. if you look at the five names, and we have the others on the fence category, who do you think this is more likely to move or not move? i know this is a little bit of political tea leaf reading. >> i don't think all those senators are in the same category. ...