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attorney, roberta kaplan. they were here last week in the immediate wake of that remarkable court ruling in which a jury held unanimously that former president donald trump had sexually abused e. jean carroll and when he disparanoid her, he was the one. and he was defaming miss carroll and he would have to pay for it. in that case, that jury ordered donald trump to pay e. jean carroll $5 million in damages. both for what he did and for what he said about it. if you watched the show last week and you saw that interview that i did with e. jean carroll and her attorney, you might rememb...

unanimously that former president donald trump had sexually abused e. jean carroll, and when he disparaged her, he was ordered to pay e. jean carroll $5 million in damages both for what he did and what he said about it. but if you watched the show last week and you saw that interview i did e. jean carroll and her attorney, you might remember that, you know, in addition to sort of reflecting on the fact they had won that case, one of the things they were newly contending with in the wake of that jury verdict is that even though trump had just been ordered to pay out millions of dollar...

Would go to court and i feel like in court it would either be a protracted and potentially damaging economic situation or it would just go through conservative wringer and come back on the other side that wouldn't be particularly helpful. >> for a start, my strong view is we cannot six you will to the hostage taking of these republicans who are circumventing the normal appropriations process. we're saying, hey, if you don't do what we want you to do, to make savage cuts to the needs of working people and low-income people. we republicans are prepared to cause massive economic chaos throughout ...

Thanks for making time tonight. tell me your view of the practicality of the 14th amendment option. i feel like i understand the basic constitutional argument. where i get stuck is that this would go to court and i feel like in court it would either be a protracted and potentially damaging economic situation or it would just go through conservative wringer and come back on the other side that wouldn't be particularly helpful. >> for a start, my strong view is we cannot six you will to the hostage taking of these republicans who are circumventing the normal appropriations process. we're saying,...