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Negotiation space, something is happening behind the scenes that is helping some people get through, can you talk about that too to some extend? i know the most senior commanders on the ground are out and discussing with the taliban leaders that are manning the check points, what they need to look like, the details of that. as we know there are reports that some that are not able to get through there. i can tell you that the department of state, the consoler affair officers there are working there to ensure that

Uncertain what happens next. i don't think anyone, i don't think any one of us can see these pictures and not feel that pain on a human level. >> you know, it's interesting, douglas, because he was someone who in many ways was thought of as going to be a consoler in chief as much as he would be the commander in chief. but i wonder why hadn't we seen president biden's trademark empathy until today? what do you think of this shift? >> i approve of the shift and agree with david. i thought president biden did a better job today communicating emotion and concern. i think he's doubling down as we -...

Watch. >> we've all seen the pictures. we've seen the hundreds of people packed into a c-17. we've seen afghans falling -- >> that was four days ago, five days ago. >> what did you think when you first saw the pictures? >> what i thought is we have to gain control of this. we have to move this more quickly. we have to move in a way in which we can take control of the airport and we did. the past week has been heartbreaking. we've seen gut wrenching images of panicked people acting out of sheer desperation. it's completely understandable. they're frightened. they're sad. uncertain what happens ...

Because he has really lost the trust of so many americans here because he hasn't been straight with people about how bad it is on the ground. this is a humanitarian disaster and now it has become a political disaster for him and what he really needs do is reset things. what happened to the old joe biden, what happened to the consoler in chief? he has been a very different person for the last week. he's dug in, been defensive, blaming the afghans. what we need is a total reset and a plan for how to save our friends that are left behind. and then we'll believe him and others that they really val...

Flowers. and he felt comfortable in that role. it felt natural. and he appeared to bring people a lot of comfort there. it was really different from traveling with president trump to disaster sites or things like that. i feel like he was a little uncomfortable. >> in many ways that's how he won the election. his empathy versus trump's lack of empathy in the midst of the pandemic. >> i think there's a sense people think this is an exaggerated contrast, but it is something biden has spent decades through his own personal tragedy honing, and in moments like this, it really starts to matter. you'v...