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Just this spoon is absolutely gorgeous, you know? fred has a wonderful collection of tableware. without getting, you know, snobby or elitist, you know, the eating off vintage, uh, tableware is one of the great joys out of life. >> anthony: well, this is the interesting paradox of you guys. on one hand, you aspire to run a democratic establishment, open to all. and yet you are hopeless romantics when it comes to -- >> fred: painful nostalgics. >> anthony: the art of living. right? >> fred: yeah. >> anthony: what the [ muted ]? sustenance is required. holy [ muted ]. look at this. like, say, a c...

>> irmin: well, i think it's this generation, which were like me. we grew up in this after war, terrible destruction. and that was the generation which started to create something new. that was bubbling from everywhere. >> anthony: we're having dinner at ox and klee. part of the new cologne dining scene where chef daniel gottschlich plans to kill us with deliciousness. grilled scallop with black salsify. a consommé of burned hay, lemon gelee, and walnut oil. when you began can, what was the initial reception? >> irmin: in the beginning, they said that we are not able to play music. we were di...

>> anthony: yeah. >> david: but the funnest part about the restaurant business, isn't it the cutlery? just this spoon is absolutely gorgeous, you know? fred has a wonderful collection of tableware. without getting, you know, snobby or elitist, you know, the eating off vintage, uh, tableware is one of the great joys out of life. >> anthony: well, this is the interesting paradox of you guys. on one hand, you aspire to run a democratic establishment, open to all. and yet you are hopeless romantics when it comes to -- >> fred: painful nostalgics. >> anthony: the art of living. right? >> fred: yeah...

This generation, which were like me. we grew up in this after war, terrible destruction. and that was the generation which started to create something new. that was bubbling from everywhere. >> anthony: we're having dinner at ox and klee. part of the new cologne dining scene where chef daniel gottschlich plans to kill us with deliciousness. grilled scallop with black salsify. a consommé of burned hay, lemon gelee, and walnut oil. when you began can, what was the initial reception? >> irmin: in the beginning, they said that we are not able to play music. we were dilatants. >> anthony: but, i m...

Ausoleils thrown in there. >> fred: they're delicious. and my prized possession, those little alsace glasses. >> david: fred's wonderful alsace glasses. >> anthony: yeah. >> david: but the funnest part about the restaurant business, isn't it the cutlery? just this spoon is absolutely gorgeous, you know? fred has a wonderful collection of tableware. without getting, you know, snobby or elitist, you know, the eating off vintage, uh, tableware is one of the great joys out of life. >> anthony: well, this is the interesting paradox of you guys. on one hand, you aspire to run a democratic establishm...