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>> laura: joining me now, matt schlapp. chairman of the american conservative union and tom bevan, co-founder and president of real clear politics. matt, do warren and sanders care about what obama is saying about the electorate? do they care? does their constituency care? >> i can't believe i'm saying this but i actually don't think they do. they don't refer to obama often. >> ever. >> i don't think there is a lot of back-channelling between those operations, i think they're running as a springboard off obama's left-wing policies further to the left and obama's time has really kind of come an...

And if president trump can convince he if he denuclearizes we won't overthrow him and that would be wonderful for the world. >> is it a nixon goes to china move or too much drama? >> i was thinking of that one because one thing that nobody argued is the bona fides of nixon and kissinger in the subtleties of how this could work. how you consult with allies. whatever you can say about donald trump, his bona fides in terms of foreign policy are not nixon's. apparently since he left the secretary of state out of even knowing about this, the analogy is a bit flawed. >> i have stormy daniels' lawyer...