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The doj is still is figuring out whether they want to charge mark meadows and we're 50 days in and then there is the concern if we start subpoenaing other members of congress, could this come back on us if a year from now the republicans control congress. so that is a political consideration. but legally, they really can go ahead and do this, politically do they have the guts for it? i don't know. >> gloria, pick up that political consideration. >> they know in advance that jim jordan is not likely to comply with any subpoena. so why are they knocking their heads against the wall if they know ...

When and how he might be able to come in. that's the kind of thing that can be useful to somebody who is talking to the committee to keep away a possible, you know, contempt charge later on. by engaging at all, you leave open the possibility and you draw things out. when it comes to giuliani, he's been somebody publicly critical of the report before and takes great pains to describe him as donald trump's personal lawyer, the use of attorney/client privilege or perhaps exercising his fifth amendment rights i think would be well within the realm of things that we should expect if and when giulia...

Yet, there is eight hours a missing call logs, with no record of it. fill in the gaps. >> right, well, we don't know what we don't know. we do know that there is seven and a half hours of missing calls, here. it's quite likely that donald trump was using somebody else's phone during this time. it was well known in the white house that if you want to get the trump, he often called dan scavino, who has purview used to provide any records of the january six committee, and was recently referred to for a contempt charge. it's very possible he was using scavino's phone, or somebody else's. there is ...

Phone during this time. it was well known in the white house that if you want to get the trump, he often called dan scavino, who has purview used to provide any records of the january six committee, and was recently referred to for a contempt charge. it's very possible he was using scavino's phone, or somebody else's. there is a lot of passing around of phones in the trump white house, they didn't do things by the book. that said, there are potentially other explanations as well. i don't wanna rule anything else. even so, the records we do have from these calls are revealing, in that they show...

That would involve constantly going at the next level, seeing what happens when they issue a subpoena and if he declines to come -- comply, a big part of that calculous has to be if perry gets away with refusing to comply, they have very little ability for the folks behind him. >> what do you make of the fact we reached our first member of congress who could wind up getting a contempt charge. meadows is a former member. what do you make of the fact you have this sitting republican member of congress refusing to compile with the request for the body he serves in. he serves in congress. >> that'...