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Shared facts, president trump, our democracy will not last. >> that's republican senator jeff flake rebuking president trump on the senate floor, accusing the president of echoing joseph stalin's attacks on his enemies. he said america under his leadership is charting a a dangerous path. joining us now are professors of government at harvard who know about the dangerous path. they are authors of the new book "how democracies die,". it's good to have you both here, professors. there's a lot in this book for people to look at contextually to check the demise of a democracy. good. specific to us ...

Trying to. even if it doesn't change your work it raises the emotional, mental and sometimes monetary costs of doing so. i think this is really important, because a lot of working journalists are not rich. they don't do it for the money. they don't even do it for the fame. do it in pursuit of truth and this kind of thing does actually have an affect on people. once someone found out that someone has tried to hack them or is trying to get their information, it makes you think twice about everybody you do. >> absolutely. it's important contextually to understand that russia is a country in which...

Contextually, you've seen the arc of what a hurricane can do to this area. any reflections and perspectives? >> yeah, you know, they are very different storms, as all hurricanes are. and katrina made its landfall to the west of here, much like it appears nate is doing. i will tell you that during katrina, it was a slower moving storm and so we saw a longer period with the sort of storm surge being pushed ashore and coming into the streets here. i haven't seen anything that really resembles that yet. we could get to that in the next hour or two, three hours or so. from mobile, i actually went t...

They're doing the right thing or that they had the right to do it, not that they're doing the right thing. but i think that i read that differently, that poll differently than you did. van, i'm not sure if that's what you wanted to comment on. >> well, what i want to say is what's surprising -- it's not surprising that the majority of americans look down on this protest. if you look at the 1960s, 1963, 67, 70% of white americans said, hey, stop this black protesting. this freedom rights, you're hurting your cause, the sit-in movement, you're hurting your cause. cut it out, it's bad. huge numbe...

To get along with each other. go to the next question. go ahead. >> it's just that contextually that's why i brought it up. it's not that we have some untoward fascination with an investigation. we do it because it threatens the foundation of the democracy. you know that. you know it matters. >> i know it matters. >> the president should know -- >> kellyanne conway has said it. i'll say it. the president has said it. >> it's an odd strategy for the president. >> if there's smoking gun proof, he'll take action. he's looking at the sanctions right now. he may decide to veto the sanctions and be ...